Great Zulu Shaman and Elder Credo Mutwa


It has often been said that the Native Elders of any given tribe hold
the keys to knowledge. This statement has never been more clearly
confirmed than in the recent interview I had the great privilege to
conduct with Zulu "Sanusi" (Shaman) Credo Mutwa, now nearing eighty
years of age.

Through the efforts and assistance of David Icke, I was able to
establish contact with Dr. Johan Joubert, who graciously coordinated
with Credo Mutwa, thus allowing the interview to take place by
telephone, literally half-way around the world in South Africa. We at
The SPECTRUM would like to convey our deepest appreciation to both
David Icke and to Dr. Joubert for their selfless efforts at getting
this man's Truth out to the world.

I first heard about Credo Mutwa five years ago, only at that time it
didn't seem possible to speak with him directly by telephone, as he
lives in a somewhat remote area with no phone. When I heard from
David Icke that he had spent time with Credo Mutwa and that he would
be willing to speak with The SPECTRUM, well, that's all it took.
Through the wonder of the international telephone lines, on August 13
we had what turned out to be a 4-hour session! And no, we are not
about to pare it down to "sound bite" size. The words he has spoken
will appear completely and in full context, as is our usual policy-a
matter of respect for the speaker as well as simply being good,
honest journalism!

Credo Mutwa is a man whom David Icke describes as: "The most amazing
and knowledgeable man it has been my privilege and honor to call a
friend, a genius." After speaking with Credo Mutwa, I couldn't agree

I would like to comment that Credo Mutwa, while not a man of formal
education, was kind enough and conscientious enough to spell all of
the Zulu or African words, proper names, etc. for this article. Those
of you who may be African scholars will find this level of accuracy
more advantageous to your research than will the average reader,
however such care taken by Credo is yet another facet of his honesty
and precision.

If you feel that you have read some material lately that stretches
your thinking and challenges some belief systems, this interview will
take you one step beyond. As always, Truth is stranger than fiction.
As well, Truth-or pieces of Truth revealed to any one of us-are part
of a larger mosaic, and thus it is up to each of us to arrive at our
own conclusions concerning the Truth that others have to share with

We are honored to have this opportunity to present Credo Mutwa's
experiences and knowledge with you. It is a most rare and much
appreciated opportunity.

The astonishing information presented by Credo Mutwa is certainly
thought provoking and far-reaching in both implications and scope.
Once you read this information you will more readily understand why
there have been attempts to silence him. Similarly, you will more
deeply appreciate Credo's courage for coming forth and speaking
truth, no matter the consequences to self.

So, without further introductory commentary, let the interview begin.

_*Martin:*_ First of all, let me say it is an honor and a privilege
to speak with you, and I would like to thank and acknowledge David
Icke and Dr. Joubert, without whose help we would not be having this
conversation today.

Our readers are aware of the existence of the shape-shifting
reptilian extraterrestrials, and what I would like to discuss with
you concerns the specifics of their presence, their leadership, their
agenda, and their methods of operation at this time.

So, the first question I would like to ask you is: Can you confirm
that shape-shifting reptilian extraterrestrials do, in fact, exist on
our planet at this time? And if they do, if you can confirm this,
will you please be specific about them. Where do they come from?

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ Sir, can your newspaper send people to Africa?

_*Martin:*_ I'm sorry, can you repeat that?

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ Can your newspaper kindly send somebody to Africa in
the near future?

_*Martin:*_ We are financially not able to do that at this time, but
that may change in the future.

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ Because there are some things that I would, please,
like your newspaper to check-out, independent of me. You have heard
of the country called Rwanda, in Central Africa?

_*Martin:*_ Yes.

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ The people of Rwanda, the Hutu people, as well as
the Watusi people, state, and they are not the only people in Africa
who state this, that their very oldest ancestors were a race of
beings whom they called the Imanujela, which means "the Lords who
have come". And some tribes in West Africa, such as a Bambara people,
also say the same thing. They say that they came from the sky, many,
many generations ago, a race of highly advanced and fearsome
creatures which looked like men, and they call them Zishwezi. The
word Zishwezi means the dival or the glidal-creatures that can glide
down from the sky or glide through water.

Everybody, sir, has heard about the Dogon people in Western Africa
who all say that they were given culture by the normal beings, but
they are not-the Dogon people are but ONE of many, many peoples in
Africa who claim that their tribe or their king were first founded by
the supernatural race of creatures that came from the sky.

Are you still with me, sir?

_*Martin:*_ Oh yes, very much so. Please continue.

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ Sir, I can go on and on, but let me bring you to my
people, the Zulu people of South Africa.

_*Martin:*_ Please.

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ The Zulu people, who are famous as a warrior people,
the people to whom King Shaka Zulu, of the last century, belonged.
When you ask a South African White anthropologist what the name of
Zulu means, he will say it means "the sky" (laughter), and therefore
the Zulu call themselves "people of the sky". That, sir, is
non-sense. In the Zulu language, our name for the sky, the blue sky,
is sibakabaka. Our name for inter-planetary space, however, is izulu
and the weduzulu, which means "inter-planetary space, the dark sky
that you see with stars in it every night", also has to do with
traveling, sir. The Zulu word for traveling at random, like a nomad
or a gypsy, is izula.

Now, you can see that the Zulu people in South Africa were aware of
the fact that you can travel through space-not through the sky like a
bird-but you can travel through space, and the Zulus claim that many,
many thousands of years ago there arrived, out of the skies, a race
of people who were like lizards, people who could change shape at
will. And people who married their daughters to a walking
(extraterrestrial), and produced a power race of Kings and tribal
Chiefs, there are hundreds of fairy-tales, sir, in which a lizard
female assumes the identity of a human princess and poses as her, and
gets married to a Zulu Prince.

Every school child in South Africa, sir, knows about the story of a
princess called Khombecansini. Khombecansini was to have married a
handsome Prince called Kakaka, a name which means "the enlightened
one". Now, one day while Khombecansini was gathering firewood in the
bush, she met a creature called an Imbulu. And this Imbulu was a
lizard which has the body and the limbs of a human being, but a long
tail. And this lizard spoke to Princess Khombecansini, "Oh, how
beautiful you are, girl, I wish I could be like you. I wish I could
look like you. Can I come close to you?" said the Imbulu lizard woman
to the princess.

And the princess said, "Yes, you can."

And as the lizard, which was a taller one, came close to the girl,
she spat into the girl's eyes and she began to change. That is, the
lizard suddenly changed into a human shape and this lizard began to
look more and more and more and more like the girl, with the
exception of her long, pointed tail. And then, with her sudden burst
of violence, the lizard woman sealed the princess and removed all her
bangles and her beads and her wedding skirt off her, and she put them
on. Thus, the lizard became the princess.

Now there were two identical women in the bush, the shape-shifted
lizard woman and the original woman. And the lizard woman said to the
original woman, "Now you are my slave. Now you are going to accompany
me to the marriage. I will be you and you will be my slave, come-on!"
She took a stick and started beating up the poor princess. And then
she went, accompanied by other girls who were bride's maids,
according to Zulu custom, and she arrived at Prince Kakaka's village.
But, before they reached the village she had to do something about
her tail, that is, the shape-shifting woman had, somehow, to hide the
tail. So, she forced the princess to weave a net out of fiber and she
tucked the tail in and she tied it tight to herself. She now looked
like a Zulu woman with attractive, very big buttocks, when seen from

And then, when she arrived and she became the wife of the prince, a
strange thing started happening in the village. All of the milk
started disappearing because each night the shape-shifting princess,
the false princess, used to release her tail, which used to suck in
all of the sour milk through a hole at the tip of the tail. And the
mother-in-law said, "What is this? Why is the milk disappearing?"
Then, she said, "No, I see, there is an Imbulu amongst us."

The mother-in-law, who was a clever old lady, said, "A hole must be
dug in the front of the village and it must be filled with milk." And
this was done. And then, all of the girls who had come with the false
princess were told to jump over this hole. One after the other one,
they jumped. And when the shape-shifter was forced, at spear-point,
to jump as well, as she jumped her long tail burst out of the net
under her skirt and started slurping the milk through the hole, and
the warriors killed the shape-shifter. And thus, the real Princess
Khombecansini became the wife of the king-of King Kakaka.

Now, sir, this story has got many versions in it. Throughout South
Africa, amongst many tribes, you'll find stories of these amazing
creatures who are capable of changing from reptile to human being,
and from reptile to any other animal of their choice. And these
creatures, sir, do really exist. No matter where you go throughout
Southern, Eastern, Western, and Central Africa, you'll find that the
description of these creatures is the same. Even amongst tribes which
never, throughout their long history, had contact with each other at

So, there ARE such creatures. Where they come from, I will never
claim to know, sir. But they are associated with certain stars in the
sky, and one of these stars is a large group of stars which is part
of the Milky Way, which our people call Ingiyab, which means "The
Great Serpent". And there is a red star, a redish star, near the tip
of this huge rim of stars which our people call IsoneNkanyamba.

Now, this star called IsoneNkanyamba, I managed to find its English
name. It is the star called Alpha Centauri, in English. Now, this,
sir, is something that is worth investigating. Why is it that well
over 500 tribes in parts of Africa which I've visited in the last 40
or 50 years or so, all of them describe similar creatures?

It is said that these creatures feed on us human beings; that they,
at one time, challenged God Himself to war, because they wanted full
control of the universe. And God fought a terrible battle against
them and He defeated them, injured them, and forced them to hide in
cities underground.

They hide in deep cavities underground, because they are always
feeling cold. In these cavities, we are told, there are huge fires
which are kept going by slaves, human, zombie-like slaves. And, it is
further said that these Zuswazi, these Imbulu, or whatever you choose
to call them, are not capable of eating solid food. They either eat
human blood, or they eat that power, the energy that is generated
when human beings, on the surface of the Earth, are fighting and
killing each other in large numbers.

I met people who have fled from the early Masaki in Rwanda, from
years ago, and these people were horrified by what was happening in
their country. They said that the slaughter of the Hutus by the
Watusi, and the Watusi by the Hutus, is actually feeding the
Imanujela, monsters. Because the Imanujela like to inhale the energy
that is generated by masses of people being terrified or being killed
by other people.

Are you still with me, sir?

_*Martin:*_ Yes, I'm completely with you.

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ Now, let me point out an interesting thing, sir. If
you study the languages of all African nations, you find within the
languages of our people words which are similar to Oriental,
Middle-Eastern, and even Native American words. And the word
Imanujela means "the Lord who came". A word that anyone can discover
in Rwanda, amongst the Rwandan Hutu and Watusi people, is very
similar to the Herbrew word Immanuel, which means "the Lord is with
us". Imanujela, "the ones who came, the Lords who are here".

Our people believe, sir, that we, the people of this Earth, are not
masters of our own lives, really, although we are made to think that
we are. Our people say, that is, Black people of all tribes, all of
the initiated ones, all of the shamans everywhere in Africa, when
they get to trust you and share their deepest secrets with you, they
say that [with] the Imanujela, there is Imbulu. And there is another
name by which these creatures are known. This name is Chitauli. Now,
the word Chitauli means "the dictators, the ones who tell us the
law". In other words, "they who tell us, secretly, what we are to
do". Now, it is said that these Chitauli did a number of things to us
when they came to this planet.

Please forgive me, but I must share this story with you. It is one of
the strangest stories that you find everywhere in Africa in shamanic
secret societies and other places where the remnant of our ancient
knowledge and wisdom are still preserved. It is that, originally, the
Earth was covered by a very thick blanket of fog or mist. That people
could not actually see the Sun in the sky, except as a nimble of
light. And they also saw the Moon at night as a gentle claw of light
in the sky, because there was this heavy mist. And the rain was
always falling in a steady drizzle. There was no thunder, however.
There were no storms.

The world was thickly covered with great forests, great jungles, and
people lived in peace on Earth at that time. People were happy and it
is said, at that time, we human beings did not have the power of
speech. We only made funny sounds like happy monkeys and baboons, but
we did not have speech as we now have it. And in those centuries,
people spoke to each other through their mind.

A man could call his wife thinking about her, thinking about the
shape of her face, the smell of her body, and the feel of hair as a
woman. That a hunter would go out into the bush and call out for
animals to come, and the animals would select one of their number
which was old and tired, and this animal would offer itself to the
hunter so that he may kill it quickly and take it as meat to his

There was no violence against animals. There was no violence against
Nature by human beings at that time. Man used to ask for food from
Nature. He used to come to a tree and think about fruit, and the tree
would allow some of its fruit to fall to the ground, and man would
take it.

And then it is said, however, that when the Chitauli came to Earth,
they arrived in terrible vessels which flew through the air, vessels
which were shaped like great bowls and which made a terrible noise
and a terrible fire in the sky. And the Chitauli told human beings,
whom they gathered together by force with whips of lightning, that
they were great gods from the sky and that from now on they would
receive a number of great gifts from the god. These so-called gods,
who were like human beings, but very tall, with a long tail, and with
terrible burning eyes, some of them had two eyes-yellow, bright
eyes-some had three eyes, the red, round eye being in the center of
their forehead. These creatures then took away the great powers that
human beings had: the power of speaking through the mind only, the
power of moving objects with their mind only, the power of seeing
into the future and into their past, and the power to travel,
spiritually, to different worlds.

All of these great powers the Chitauli took away from human beings
and they gave human beings a new power, now, the power of speech.
But, human beings found, to their horror, that the power of speech
divided human beings, instead of uniting them, because the Chitauli
cunningly created different languages, and they caused a great
quarrel between people. Also, the Chitauli did something which has
never been done before: they gave human beings people to rule over
them, and they said, "These are your kings, these are your chiefs.
They have our blood in them. They are our children, and you must
listen to these people because they will speak on our behalf. If you
don't, we are going punish you very terribly."

Before the coming of the Chitauli, before the coming of the Imbulu
creatures, human beings were spiritually one. But when the Chitauli
came, human beings became divided, both spiritually as well as by

And then, human beings were given strange new feelings by the
Chitauli. Human beings started to feel unsafe, and so they started
making villages with very strong fences of wood around them. Human
beings started becoming country makers. In other words, they started
creating tribes and tribe lands, which had borders, which they
defended against any possible enemy. Human beings became ambitious
and greedy and they wanted to acquire wealth in the form of cattle,
and sea shells.

And, another thing the Chitauli forced human beings to do, they
forced human beings to mine into the Earth. The Chitauli activated
human women and made them to discover minerals and metals of certain
types. Women discovered copper; women discovered gold; women
discovered silver. And, eventually, they were guided by the Chitauli
to alloy these metals and to create new metals which had never
existed in Nature before, metals such as bronze and brass and others.

Now, the Chitauli, further, removed the sacred rain-bringing mist
from the sky and for the first time since creation, human beings
looked up and saw stars, and the Chitauli told human beings that they
have been wrong in believing that God dwelt under the Earth. "From
now on," the Chitauli told people of this Earth, "the people of Earth
must believe that God is in Heaven and they must do things here on
Earth which would please this God who is in Heaven."

You see, originally, human beings had believed that God was
underground, that she was a very great mother who dwelt under the
Earth because they saw all the green things growing from under the
Earth-the grass came from below ground, the trees grew from below
ground, and the people had believed, therefore, that the dead people
who died go underground. But when the Chitauli turned humans' eyes
towards the sky, people started believing, now, that God is in the
sky and that those who die from this Earth don't go underground, but
go up into the sky.

And to this day, sir, throughout Africa wherever you go as an
investigator, you will find this amazing-these two amazing ideas
which conflict with each other.

Many African tribes believe in what is called Midzimu or Badimo. Now,
the word Midzimu or Badimo means "them who are in the sky". But, in
Zulu-land, amongst my people, you find this amazing schism going
hand-in-hand. There are Zulus who believe that the dead ones are the
Abapansi, which means "the ones who are below, who are under the
Earth". Then there is another idea which says Abapezulu. The word
Abapezulu means "those who are above", and the word Abapansi, which
is the oldest name for the spirits of the dead, means "they who are
under the Earth".

So, even today, sir, all over Africa amongst hundreds of tribes, you
find this strange double-belief that the dead go into the sky, and
side-by-side with the belief that the dead die and go under the
Earth. This belief that the dead die and go under the Earth is said
to date to the days when our people believed that God was a woman,
the great Cosmic Mother. And, it is contrasted by the Abapezulu
belief that God is a man who dwells in the sky.

Now, sir, another thing that the Chitauli told our people, it is
said, is that we human beings are here on Earth to change the Earth
and to make it suitable for "God" to come down one day and dwell in
it. And it is said that they who work to change this Earth and make
it safe for the serpent god, the Chitauli, to come and dwell in it,
will be rewarded with great power and with great wealth.

Sir, as I have watched over many years of study, over many years of
initiation of the mysteries of African shamanism, wisdom, and
knowledge, I have found myself wondering why we human beings are
actually destroying the Earth on which we live. We are doing
something which is only done by one other species of animal, namely,
the African elephant, which utterly destroys every tree in the place
in which it dwells.

We human beings are doing exactly this. And wherever you go in
Africa, where once there were great ancient civilizations, you find
desert. For example, there is the Kalahari desert in South Africa,
and under the sands of that desert, I have found the ruins of ancient
cities, which means that human beings turned this stretch of land,
which was once green and fertile, into a desert. And, in days when I
was with explorers and safari people in the Sahara regions of Africa,
I also found evidence of unbelievably ancient human habitation in
places where there is nothing now but angry rock and whispering sand.

In other words, the Sahara Desert was once a fertile country and was
turned into a desert by human beings. Why? I must ask myself, again
and again, why are human beings being driven by insecurity, greed,
and lust of power to turn the Earth into a desert in which,
ultimately, no human being would ever be able to live? Why?

Although we are all aware of the terrible dangers that this will
bring about, why are we cutting huge areas of jungle in Africa? Why
are we on Earth carrying out the instructions which the Chitauli
programmed into us? Although my mind refuses to accept this, the
answer is a terrible yes, yes, yes.

Amongst the many people of wisdom who honor me with their friendship,
is a man of great knowledge who lives in Israel, Dr. Sitchin.
[Editor's note: This reference is to Dr. Zecharia Sitchin, author of
many provocative books about the interaction of extraterrestrial
peoples with Earth humans in very ancient times.] According to the
ancient books which were written by the people of Sumeria, out of
clay, gods came out of the sky and forced human beings to work for
them, to mine gold for them. This story is confirmed by African
legends throughout Africa, that gods came out of the sky and made us
into their slaves, and they made us into slaves in such a way that we
would never realize that we are slaves.

One other thing that our people say is that the Chitauli prey upon us
like vultures. They raise some of us, they fill some of us with great
anger and great ambition, and they make these people they've raised
into great warriors who make terrible war. But, in the end, the
Chitauli do not allow these great leaders, these great war chiefs and
kings, to die peacefully. The warrior chief is used to make as much
war as possible, to kill as many of his people, and those he calls
enemies, as possible, and then, in the end, the warrior chief dies a
terrible death, with his blood being spilled by others.

And this phenomenon I have seen in my people's history, again and
again and again. Our great King Shaka Zulu, he fought over 200 great
wars during the reign of some 30-something years. And then, he was
slaughtered and he died a violent death. He died a broken man who,
because of the death of his mother, had no longer the power to win
any more battles.

And, before Shaka Zulu, there was another king who trained Shaka to
become the great king that he was. That king's name was Dingiswayo.
Dingiswayo had fought great wars trying to unite the Zulu people into
one great tribe. He had seen the White people of the Cape and he
thought that, by uniting his people into one huge nation, he would be
able to repel the threat to his people which the White people posed.
But, what happened was, after winning many battles of uniting many
tribes, King Dingiswayo suddenly became striken by an eye disease
which made him almost blind. And he hid this secret that he could no
longer see. But, that terrible secret was discovered by a woman, a
queen of another tribe, called Ntombazi. Ntombazi took a battle ax
and beheaded Dingiswayo with one blow, after she had lured him into
her hut and given him food and beer to drink.

There is also a similar phenomenon with great White leaders:
Napoleon, in Europe, who died a miserable death on his lonely island
in the Atlantic Ocean; Hitler, also in Europe, who died a terrible
death by putting the gun in the mouth and killing himself, we are
told; Attila the Hun, who was killed by a woman, and many other great
leaders who came to a sticky end after giving as much death and
misery to as many people as they could.

King Shaka was stabbed to death by his half-brother, who used on him
the same type of spear that he had designed to kill people as quickly
as possible. And, Julius Caesar also met a similar fate after he,
like our Shaka Zulu, had conquered many nations.

Always the warrior hero dies a death that he, really, should not die.
King Arthur, in England, was killed by his own son, Mordred after a
long and courageous reign. I could go on and on and on.

Now, all these things, if you bring them together, they show that
whether people laugh at this or not, whether people scoff at this or
not, there is a certain power that is guiding we human beings toward
the dark river of self-destruction. And the sooner many of us become
aware of this, the better, perhaps, we might be able to deal with it.

_*Martin:*_ Do you believe that these beings are around the world
equally, or are they primarily focused in Africa?

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ Sir, I believe that these creatures are everywhere
on Earth, and with respect, sir, although I hate talking about myself
so much, I am a person who has traveled to many parts of the world. I
have been to your country, the United States, sir. I have been to
Australia. I have been to Japan, amongst other countries.

And no matter where I have gone, sir, I have found people telling me
about creatures like this. For example, in 1997, I visited Australia,
sir, and I traveled a lot to try and find the Black people of
Australia, the Aborigine. And when I did find them, they told me a
number of things that astonished me very, very much. The same things
that I'd found in Japan, I found in Taiwan. Everywhere where there
are still shaman and traditional healers, you find these amazing

Now, let me tell you, sir, what I found in Australia alone. This,
that the Australian Aborigine people, who call themselves Coorie,
which means "our people": The Coorie people of Australia believe in a
great creating god called Byamie, sir. A Coorie shaman, in fact,
several of them, drew me pictures of this Byamie, and one of them
showed me a rock painting representing this strange creator god who
came out of the stars. And when they placed their drawing in front of
me, what they showed was a Chitauli. I recognized it from my African
initiation. It had a large head. It had large eyes, which were
stressed by the artist. It had no mouth, and it had long arms and
incredibly long legs. Sir, this was a typical depiction of a Chitauli
which I knew from my own people in Africa.

I asked myself "Why?" Here I am in a country many thousands of miles
away from Africa, and here I am seeing a being known as the Biamai or
Bimi, who is a creature with which I, the African, am familiar.

Amongst the Native American people, sir, I found, for example,
amongst certain tribes in America, tribes such as the Hopi people,
and those people who stay in those buildings called a pueblo, I found
that these people-they have got what are called Katchina creatures,
where people wear masks and disguise themselves as certain creatures.
And some of these Katchinas are very, very tall, with a huge round

Exactly as we have in Africa, I found similar creatures in America.
In Africa we call these creatures Egwugwu, or, we call them by
another name, called Chinyawu. The Katchina of the Native American
people, and the Chinyawu of our people, are identical beings. Now,
why should this be? When were American Native people and Africans in
contact? When? This is one of the greatest mysteries of all time,
sir. It is one of many things that I found throughout the world which
left me utterly amazed.

There ARE such creatures, and the sooner skeptics amongst us face up
to this fact, the better it shall be. Why is human-kind not
progressing? Why are we running around in a great circle of
self-destruction and mutual-destruction?

People are basically good; I believe this. People don't want to start
wars. People don't want to destroy the world in which they stay, but
there are creatures, or there is power that is driving we human
beings toward self-annihilation. And the sooner we recognize this,
the better.

Just now, I live in Africa. Here are my people. Here is my home. But
I see Africa being destroyed in wars that make no sense whatsoever to
me as an African. I look at India which, like Africa, suffered the
scourge of colonialism by the French, the English, and other European
powers. But India, through her independence as a country, has
achieved the things which we, Africa, have failed to achieve. Why?

India has exploded the atomic bomb and is today one of the feared
nations of this world. India has launched satellites into orbit.
India, although she has the same problems as Africa has-a burgeoning
population, religion as well as tribal strife-although India has got
an incredibly poor section of her population, as well as an
incredibly rich one, she has achieved things that Africa has failed
to achieve.

Now, I ask myself "Why? Why?" Because India was established by people
from Africa, and I don't think, sir, as the Black races about this.
This is a fact that, thousands of years ago, people from Africa laid
the foundation of the greatest civilization of India, as well as
other countries in Southeast Asia. There is overwhelming
archeological evidence of this. But, why is Africa drowning in war,
in disease, and in hunger? Why?

Many times, sir, I sit in my hut and I cry when I see diseases like
AIDS destroying us; when I see senseless wars destroying those
countries in Africa which had thrived for thousands of years.

Say, Ethiopia is a country that has been free for thousands of years.
Ethiopia was once the school of all of Africa. Nigeria was once a
great country with a long tradition of self-government-long, long
before the White man came to Africa. But today, all of these
countries and many others are being destroyed.

Today, sir, there are parts of Africa which have been totally
depopulated by war and by the disease called AIDS, a disease which
shows every sign of being a man-made disease. I ask myself, "Who or
what is destroying Africa, and why?"

Because there are tribes in those villages I lived in, who assisted
my search for knowledge, before the Second World War and after. But
today these tribes no longer exist anymore. They are gone, dispersed,
totally exterminated in senseless wars that gain the Black people

I am in South Africa now. Here I was born, and here I was to die. But
I see my country falling apart like a rotting mango. South Africa was
once a powerful country. She had a powerful army. She had huge
industries, which were producing everything from locomotives to
little radios. But today my country has become a drug-sodden,
crime-ridden piece of rubbish. Why? A country doesn't get destroyed
almost overnight, unless there are definite forces which are
determined to obliterate it.

I recently saw, sir, the destruction of another country inside South
Africa. The country is Lesotho. This country, Lesotho, is inhabited
by some of the oldest and the wisest tribes in South Africa. Amongst
them is a tribe called the Bakwama. The Bakwama people are so ancient
that they actually describe to you a mysterious land of huge pointed
mountains, a mysterious land ruled by a great god, who had the head
of a human being and the body of the lion. [One immediately thinks of
the Sphinx in Egypt.]

The Bakwama call this country Ntswama-tfatfi. This land that they
name Ntswama-tfatfi means "the land of the Sun-hawk". The hawk is the
bird of prey in Heaven-you know? Now, these Bakwama people did, in
South Africa, know about the land of Egypt where they say their
ancestors came from. And they call this mysterious land of the gods,
"the land of the Sun-hawk, or the Sun-eagle", which is exactly how
the Egyptians portrayed their country, sir. They portrayed it as "the
land of Hor", the god Horus in Greece.

Now, when Princess Diana died, in 1997, I was one of the first Black
people to suspect that Princess Diana had been murdered, and I will
tell you why this thing happened, sir. Because, about a year or 8
months before Diana died, there died a king in Lesotho, King
Moshoeshoe II. King Moshoeshoe II's death was detail-for-detail
identical to Princess Diana's death.

Consider this please, all of you who might find my words incredible:
Princess Diana died in a tunnel, but the king of Lesotho died in a
ravine. He had gone far away to investigate a problem in his cattle
ranch. It was found that he was overdue, and when the people went to
search for him, they heard from various boys who were looking after
the cattle in the Basotho-land mountains, that the boys had heard
what sounded like a rifle shot, and when the men went to look where
the rifle shot had sounded, they found the king's car off the road
and deep in the ravine. They went down their and they found that the
king of Lesotho was in his car. He was strapped in a safety belt, but
he had a terrible injury at the back of his head. And they found that
the king's driver was dead at the steering wheel. But, the two men
who were the king's bodyguards, who were riding in the king's vehicle
in the seat directly behind the king, had escaped without a scratch.
One of the men entered the car and pulled out the dying king. The
king apologized to them for messing-up their hands with his blood,
which was a tradition, that a dying king must thank the people who
are trying to get him out of where he is. And he must apologize to
them for putting them into trouble, because anyone who handles the
sacred blood of the king is in spiritual trouble of some kind after

Then, when the king's car was brought out of the ravine, it was found
that there was a hole, like a bullet hole, in one of the tires of the
car. And that car's tire was mysteriously removed, afterwards, when
the king's car was stored not in a safe place, but in a yard outside
where anybody could get at it. And, when an autopsy was conducted on
the body of the driver of the king's car, it was found that the man
had been so drunk as to not have been able to drive the car at all.
And third, the man who had driven the king's car and who died at the
wheel had not been the man who usually drives the king's car.

Now, sir, do you see this mystery now? The death of the Lesotho king
matched that of Princess Diana, which was to follow it. In many other
amazing details than I have detailed now, and so the nation of
Lesotho was reduced to a retch after the king's death, when rioting
took place as a result of a general election which provisional party
members prospected and controlled.

Today Lesotho is an economically moribund nation. And Lesotho is a
country which was the place of a strange experiment-an experiment
which consisted of the building of a huge dam, whose purpose was to
supply South Africa, and not Lesotho, with large quantities of water.
And we have recently heard ugly rumors emanating from that country,
that somebody was bribed to facilitate the building of this huge dam
where the water of a small nation is being used to supply, to
supplement the water supplies of a highly industrialized nation.

There are many strange things, sir, which have taken place in South
Africa, and are taking place, as well as in other parts of Africa,
which make no sense to me as an African. There are wars which take
place in Africa, where after an African country has gained its
independence from the colonial power, then a force of rebels pick up
weapons against that country's government, but instead of the rebels
fighting the government to the bitter end, what happens again and
again is that the rebel forces split into various groups which end up
fighting not only the government in power, but also each other. And
the result is that, in several African countries, the country is so
destroyed that, no matter which party wins, the people lose. The
United Nations are caused to be called in, in order to create some
semblance of peace. In other words, Africans have now started
fighting wars which bring about not victory, but the destruction of
themselves, as well as their people.

I would like to draw your attention, sir, to the senseless tide which
is still raging in the Sudan, as well as other parts of Africa. I
would like to draw your attention, sir, to the longest and most
terrible civil war which is destroying the southern parts of the
Sudan. I would like to draw your attention, and that of your readers,
sir, to the terrible war which is destroying Angola. And one part of
the world, to the East of Southern Africa, has been so raped by many
years of war that there are now places where you don't even hear a
bird-thing. All living forms of life have been wiped-out in that
place. Now, why?

And then, I have found that these countries that are being destroyed
by senseless wars which are totally out of character for us Africans,
and I speak as an African, are those countries which, had they been
left alone, could have supplied the whole of Africa with food, with
water, and with valuable minerals. I am told, sir, that under the
surface of Angola, under the plains of Angola, are deposits of coal
which are without equal in this world. I am further told that in
parts of Angola there are deposits of oil which are second only to
those reserves of oil which are in the Middle East.

The Sudan is a country which I visited several times during, and even
after, the Second World War. In the Sudan there was so much food that
you received free food from the villagers, as you traveled through
the Sudan. Today, southern Sudan is a starvation-torn, battle of rage
hellhole where children die of diarrhea in the bush while the
vultures and buzzards wait on the branches of trees to feast. Africa
is being systematically and deliberately destroyed by a power of such
relentlessness that it is continuing the destruction even now.

But, this power is getting desperate.

_*Martin:*_ Excuse me. Did you say there was coal in Angola or gold?

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ Coal, sir, coal. There are diamonds in Angola, sir.
And I have learned from reliable people that there is more oil under
Angola, in certain places, than there is in certain parts of the
Middle East.

Is this what Africa is being destroyed for? Is this what our nations
are being slaughtered for-for coal under the surface, for diamonds?
If so, who is this intelligence that is behind this? Are people less
valuable than minerals? Are people less valuable than oil?

Because, sir, genocide, worse than anything that Hitler ever
committed upon the Jewish people, is taking place in Africa NOW, and
the people of America don't seem to care a damn. Why? We are the best
friends that the United States has got. We are the best people. We
buy American products. Our children want to look like American
children. Our kids wear jeans, sir, and they even speak with American
accents, because you American people are our role model. Why are you
allowing us to be slaughtered? Why? Why?

Not only are we being killed by war, sir, we are being killed by
drugs. There were no drugs in South Africa during the days of the
apartheid government. Now, under our democratic government, our
country has become one drug-sodden cess pit. Why?

Today, sir, and I speak as a traditional shaman, one of my purposes
is to try and help people with a drug problem. Sir, I can help a
young African who is abusing marijuana or hashish. I can help a young
African who is dependent upon Dakwa. But, sir, I am useless, my
skills are rubbish and I fail again-and so do many like me-to help
young Black people who are addicted to a new type of drug which is
called "crack". It is a hard-looking drug. It's like hardened
chocolate when you see it, and this thing is so addictive that no
shaman can help a young victim of this drug.

I am asking the people of the United States of America, I am asking
my Black brothers and my Black sisters over there, why are you
allowing the country which is your mother to be exterminated?

I don't care what skeptics say, sir. Please forgive me when I really
get hot under the collar. I don't care what skeptics say, but there
IS a force destroying Africa and I am not buying the nonsense that it
is the bankers of the IMF and other big banks. You don't kill the
goose that gives you the golden egg, so why would the bankers want to
destroy Africa? There is another force behind these people, a
terrible, alien force, which does things behind the scenes which-and
the sooner we recognize this, the better-sir, it is very common for
human beings who are in trouble to blame forces other than those
inside themselves.

But, I have studied the situation in Africa since the end of the
Second World War, and before, and I have evidence that points to an
alien force at work in Africa.

What, who is wiping out Africa's oldest tribes?

Please, sir, let me tell you a thing that cuts my soul. May I please?

_*Martin:*_ Please, continue.

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ Please, I'm sorry to talk so much. Please forgive
me. I belong to the Zulu nation, a nation of warriors, a nation of
wise people. My people, sir, have never been studied by White
anthropologists thoroughly, but the Zulu people knew things that, if
I were to share with your readers, they would be amazed.

Let me show you this. The Zulu people KNEW, amongst many things, that
it is the Earth which moves around the Sun, and not the other way
around. They said, to explain this thing to the initiated, that the
Earth is a feminine creature and the Sun is a male creature, and,
therefore, the Earth is the mobile one who dances around the Sun-the
beautiful princess who dances around the fiery king who is the Sun.
Our people knew that the Earth was a sphere. Our people knew about
germs and their function. When the White man came to Africa, where
did this incredible knowledge come from? I do not know.

The people of America and the people of Europe say that it was Albert
Einstein who came out with the idea that time and space are one and
the same thing. My answer to that is, "No!"

My people, the Zulus, knew that space and time was one thing. In the
language of the Zulu, one of the names for space is umkati. And the
Zulu name for time is isikati. Now, our people knew that space and
time were one and the same thing, hundreds of years before Einstein's

And furthermore, our people believed, like the Dogon people, that
there are 24 planets in our part of space which are inhabited by
intelligent creatures of various states. And, this knowledge has
never been recorded in any book, and I and my aunt are the only
surviving high sanusi [shaman] in South Africa who are the keepers of
this knowledge. My aunt is still alive. She is about 90-something
years old, and I am now close to dead, suffering from diabetes-a
terrible killer of African people nowadays.

And, what I am trying to tell you is that, although my people had
this tremendous knowledge, which has never been written down in any
book, the Zulu people today, a huge percentage of them, are victims
of HIV or outright AIDS. And it has been calculated, sir, in the next
50 years, fully three-fourths of the Zulu people in Natal are going
to die. And I am the keeper of sacred objects which I inherited from
my grandfather. I am, from my mother's side, a direct descendant of
the last true Zulu king, Dingame. And, my duty should be to protect
my people from anything that threatens their existence.

Look, please, sir. Anyone who studies humanity with love, with
understanding, and with care, recognizes the fact that there is a
shining God which is struggling to be born within each and every one
of us. We are trying to fight back, although many of us are not yet
aware of this. We are developing an attitude of wanting to protect
our planet, no matter who or what we are.

There are chiefs in Africa who fine you very heavily if they see you
destroying a tree unnecessarily. This thing was common in the past,
but it disappeared with the coming of the White people; but now it
has come back again.

Man is becoming, is struggling to become a more advanced, more caring
being, and the aliens are not going to take this lying down. They are
going to cause us to kill each other, again. And I am worried about
what is going to happen.

Sir, I can show you many strange things that African people did to
protect themselves against the Grey aliens. The things that our
people did were not the result of superstition. They were the result
of terrible personal experience.

One day I hope to share with you, sir, the story of how I got
"taken", we say. We believe, sir, that the Mantindane ("the
tormentor"), the Greys, are really servants of the Chitauli. And that
they, contrary to what White people think-White people think a wrong
thing, sir, many-that the Mantindane are experimenting with us. They
are NOT. I repeat, they are not.

Anyone who has been through the hells of these beings will tell you
that there is nothing experimental in what they do. There is a cold,
cold, cold-blooded resolve, and they are not doing what they do to us
for themselves, they are doing what they do to us for greater
creatures than they are. Please, sir, can you give me a little time
to share with you, briefly, what happened to me?

_*Martin:*_ Oh yes, absolutely, please. We have all the time you

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ Sir, it was an ordinary day, like any other day. It
was a beautiful day in the eastern mountains of Zimbabwe, which are
called Inyangani. These are mountains to the East of Zimbabwe.

Now, I had been instructed by my teacher to go and find a special
herb which we were going to use in the healing of a certain initiate
who was badly ill. And my teacher, a woman called Mrs. Moyo, was
Ndebele, from Zimbabwe, once known as Rhodesia.

I was looking for this herb, and I was not thinking about anything,
and I had no belief whatsoever in these creatures. I had never
encountered them before, and although we African people believe in
many things, I was mighty skeptical, even about certain entities that
we believed in at that time, because I had never encountered anything
like that before.

And all of a sudden, sir, I noticed that the temperature around me
had dropped, although it was a very hot African day. I suddenly
noticed that it was now cold and there was, what appeared to be, a
bright blue mist swirling all around me, getting between me and the
eastern landscape. I remember wondering, stupidly, what this thing
meant, because I had just begun to dig one of the herbs I had found.

Suddenly, I found myself in a very strange place, a place that looked
like a tunnel lined with metal. I had worked in mines before, and
where I found myself appeared to be a mine tunnel which was lined
with silver-greyish metal.

I was lying on what appeared to be a very heavy and very large
working bench or a working table, sir. But yet, I was not chained to
the table. I was just lying there and my trousers were missing, and
so were the heavy boots that I always wore when I was out in the
bush. And all of a sudden, in this strange, tunnel-like room, I saw
what appeared to be dull, heady-looking, grey, dull-like creatures
which were moving toward me.

There were lights in this place, but not lights as we know them. They
seemed to be patches of glowing stuff. And there was something above
the far entrance which looked like writing, that writing against the
silver-grey surface, and these creatures were coming at me but I was
hypnotized, just as if the witchcraft had been put upon my head.

But I watched the creatures as they were coming towards me. I didn't
know what they were. I was frightened, but I couldn't move my arms or
my legs. I just lay there like a goat on a sacrificial altar. And
when the creatures came towards me, I felt fear inside me. They were
short creatures, about the size of African Pigmy. They have very
large heads, very thin arms, and very thin legs.

I noticed, sir, because I am an artist, a painter, that these
creatures were built all wrong from an artist's point of view. Their
limbs were too long for their body, and their necks were very thin,
and their heads were almost as large as full-grown watermelons. They
had strange eyes, which looked like goggles of some kind. They had no
noses, as we have, only small holes on either side of the raised area
between their eyes. Their mouth had no lips, only thin cuts as if
made by a razor.

And while I was looking at these creatures, sir, in amazed
fascination, I felt something close to my head, about my head. And
when I looked up, there was another creature, a slightly bigger one
than the other, and it was standing above my head and was looking
down at me.

I looked up into its eyes and I was totally hypnotized, and you know,
I was spellbound. I looked into the thing's eyes and I noticed that
the creature wanted me to keep looking into his eyes. I looked and
saw that, through these covers over their eyes, I could see the
creature's real eyes behind this black, goggle-like cover. It's eyes
were round, with straight pupils, like those of a cat. And the thing
was not moving it's head. It was breathing; I could see that. I could
see little nostrils moving, closing and shutting, but sir, if anybody
says to me that I smelled like that creature, really, I would konk
him one on the face.

_*Martin:*_ (Laughter)

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ The creature smelled like nobody's business. It had
a strange smell, a throat-tightening, chemical smell, which smelled
like rotten eggs, and also like hot copper [sulfur], a very strong

And the creature saw me looking at it, and it looked down at me and,
all of a sudden, I felt a terrible, awful pain on my left thigh, as
if a sword had been driven into my left thigh. I screamed in pain,
horrible, calling out for my mother, and the creature placed it's
hand over my mouth. You know, sir, it was like-if you want to know
how that felt, please sir, take the leg of a chicken, a live chicken,
and place it against your lips. That was how the creature's hand felt
upon my mouth.

It had thin, long fingers, which had more joints than my human
fingers have. And the thumb was in the wrong place. Each one of the
fingers ended in a black claw, almost like certain African birds. The
thing was telling me to be quiet. And how long the pain went on, sir,
I don't know. I screamed and I screamed and I screamed, again.

And then, all of a sudden, something was pulled out of my flesh, and
I looked down and saw my thigh covered with blood, and I saw that one
of the creatures-there were four of them, other than the one standing
over my head-they wore tight fitting overalls, which were
silvery-grey in color, and their flesh resembled the flesh of certain
types of fish that we find in the sea off South Africa. And the
creature standing above my head appeared to be a female. It was
somehow different than the others. It was taller, bigger, although it
didn't have breasts like a woman, it appeared to be feminine. And the
others appeared to be afraid of it, I don't know how I can describe

And then, while this terrible thing was going on, another of the
creatures came up to me-it walked sideways, in a slightly jerking
way, as if it was drunk-it walked up along the table, to my right
side, and it stood next to the one standing above my head. And before
I knew what was happening, this creature stuck something that was
like a small, silver, ball-point pen with a cable at one end, it
pushed this thing, coldly, into my right nostril.

Sir, the pain was out of this world. Blood splattered all over. I
choked and tried to scream, but the blood got into my throat. It was
a nightmare. Then, it pulled the thing out and I tried to fight and
sit up.

The pain was terrible, but the other thing above my head placed it's
hand upon my forehead and kept me down with very little force. I was
choking and trying to spit out the blood, and then I managed to turn
my head to the right to spit out the blood, which I did, and then
what the creatures did to me, sir, I don't know.

All I do know is that the pain went away, and in place of the pain,
strange visions flooded my head, visions of cities, some of which I
recognized from my travels-but, cities which were half-destroyed, the
buildings having their tops blown away, with windows like empty
eye-sockets in a human skull. I saw these visions again and again.
All the buildings that I saw were half-drowned in a reddish, muddish

It was as if there had been a flood and the buildings were sticking
up out of this great flood, partly destroyed by a disaster of some
kind, and it was a terrible sight.

And then, before I knew it, one of the creatures, the one standing
next to my feet, drove something into my organ of manhood, but here
there was no pain, just a violent irritation, as if I was making love
to something or someone.

And then, when the creature withdrew the thing, which was like a
small, black tube which it had forced into my organ of manhood, I did
something which produced a strange result, and I did not do it
intentionally. I think it was-my bladder opened, and I urinated
straight into the chest of the creature which had pulled the thing
out of my organ.

And if I had shot the creature, it would never have reacted as it
did. It jerked away and nearly fell, and then it recovered and
staggered away like a drunken insect, and left the room. I don't know
whether my urine did it; I don't know. But that is what happened.

Then, after a while, the other creatures went away, leaving me with a
dull pain in my nostril, with blood on my thigh, and the table wet
with urine. And the thing standing above my head had not moved. It
just stood there with it's right hand touching it's left shoulder, in
a strangely beautiful and feminine way. It stood there looking at me.
There was no expression in its face. I never saw any of the creatures
talk or make any sound of any kind. All I do know is that they
appeared to be mute.

And then, out of somewhere there arrived two other creatures, one of
which was made entirely out of metal. Even in my worst nightmares, I
still see this creature. It was tall. It was big. And the area in
which we were was too small for it. It walked with a slight stoop,
moving forward, and it was definitely not a living thing. It was a
metal creature, a robot of some kind. And it came and it stood near
my feet, its whole body clumsily bent, looking down at me. There was
no mouth. There was no nose. There were just two bright eyes, which
seemed to change color, and seemed to move somehow, like the
crackling of an electrical device.

And then, behind this huge, bent creature, came a creature which
surprised me. It was very, very, very, very swollen, sir, in
appearance. It had pink skin. It had a blondish, very human body. It
had very bright, blue, slanting eyes. It had hair which looked like
nylon fiber of some kind. It had high cheek-bones and an almost human
mouth, with full lips and a small, pointed chin. The creature, sir,
was definitely a female but like an artist and a painter, which I am,
and also a sculptor, I noticed that the creature was totally out of
proportion. It was wrong.

First, its breasts were thin and pointed, and set too high upon its
chest, not where a normal woman's breasts would be. Its body was
powerful, almost fat, but its legs were too short and its arms were
too short in proportion to the rest of its body. And it came towards
me, looked down at me, and before I knew what it was doing, somehow
it mated with me. It was a horrible experience, sir, even worse than
what had been done to me before. But even now, the trauma of that day
had affected my life even now, exactly 40 years later.

And after that, when the creatures had gone, leaving only the one
creature which had been standing about my head, the creature standing
about my head shook me by the hair, it gripped me by the head and
forced me to stand off the table and to get off the table. I did
that, and such was the state that I was in, that I fell onto my knees
and hands, onto the floor.

And I noticed that that floor was strange. It had moving patterns in
it, which kept on changing and shifting-purple, red, and greenish
patterns, on a metal-grey background. And the creature pulled me by
the hair, again, forcing me to stand up, and it pushed me roughly and
made me follow it.

Sir, it would take too long for me to describe what I saw in that
strange place, as the creature pushed me, roughly, from room to room.
Even now my mind can't grasp what it was that I saw. Amongst many
things that I saw were huge cylindrical objects, made of what
appeared to be glass of some kind. And in these object, cylinders,
which reached from the roof to the floor of the place we were going
through, was what appeared to be a sort-of a greyish-pink liquid. And
in this liquid I saw small editions of the alien creatures floating
round and round, like disgusting little frogs, inside this liquid.

I couldn't understand what it was that I was being shown. But then,
in the last room I was led through, I saw people, and other strange
creatures, which, even now, my mind can't make head or sense out of,
lying on the table.

And I passed a White man, a real White man, who smelled like a human
being, was smelling of sweat, urine, excrement, and fear. This White
man was lying on a table like the one I had been lying on, and I
looked into his eyes and he looked into mine as I went by.

And then I found myself out in the bush. I found that my trousers
were missing. There was a terrible pain in my left thigh. There was a
pain in my penis which was starting to swell, and when I tried to
pass water, the pain was excruciating. I took off my shirt and I used
it as a loin-cloth and I walked through the bush.

I first met a group of young Rhodesian Black people who guided me to
my teacher's village. And when I arrived outside that village, I
smelled so horribly that every dog in the village came yapping and
snarling to tear me to pieces. And it was only my teacher and her
other students and the villagers who saved me on that day. My teacher
and the villagers were not at all surprised by what I had to tell
them. They accepted it, sir. They said to me that what had happened
to me had happened to many other people before, and that I was lucky
to return alive, because many people have disappeared in that part of
the land, never to be seen again-White people, Black people, and so

Sir, I'm cutting a very long story short. In the year following,
1960, I was delivering parcels in the city of Johannesburg. You see,
I was working in a curio shop, when a White man shouted at me to

I assumed that the White man was a secret policeman who wanted to
look into my identity documents. And when I tried to produce the
documents, he told me, angrily, that he didn't want to see my
stinking documents.

Sir, he asked me this question: "Listen, where the hell have I seen
you before? Who are you?"

I said, "I am nobody, sir; I am just a working man."

He said, "Don't bullshit me, man; who the hell are you? Where did I
see you before?"

And then I looked at him. I recognized him-his long, straggly,
golden-brown hair, his ridiculous mustache and beard. I remembered
him-his blue eyes blood-shot and naked-terror, shining upon his eyes,
and his skin as pale as that of a goat.

I said, "Meneer", which is the African's way. "Meneer-I saw you in
Rhodesia in a certain place underground." And if I had hit that White
man with my fist, he wouldn't have reacted the way he did, sir. He
turned away and walked with a terrible expression, and he disappeared
on the other side of the street.

Now, roughly, this is what happened to me, sir, but it is not a
unique experience at all.

Since that time I met many, many, many people who have had the
identical experience that I said, and most of them were traditional
Black men and women who can neither read nor write. They were coming
to me to seek my help as a shaman, but I was, myself, looking for
somebody wiser than I to tell me what had happened to me, exactly.
Because, sir, when I get caught by the Mantindane, you become so
traumatized, your life becomes so changed, you become so embarrassed
and ashamed of yourself, you develop a self-hatred which you cannot
understand, and there are subtle changes in your life which make no
sense to you.

One: You develop a strange love for humankind. You want to shake
everybody by the shoulders and say, "Hey, wake-up people; we are not
alone. I KNOW we are not alone!"

And, you develop a feeling that your life is no longer your own; and
furthermore, you become compelled with a strange edge to move from
place to place, to travel. You become worried about the future; you
become worried about people.

And another thing, sir, which I hoped one day you would send people
to me to see for their own self: you develop knowledge which doesn't
belong to you. You develop an understanding of space, an
understanding of time and creation which makes no sense to you as a
human being-it is a state, after your terrible torture, after
substances have been removed from you, some kind of exchange takes
place where you suddenly know things that the Mantindane would know,
which ordinary human beings do not know.

But, sir, I know that this sharing of God often happens even when-for
example, at one time, in 1966, in South Africa, sir, I was arrested
and rather savagely interrogated by the security police. It was that
time when every Black intellectual, no matter who he or she was, had
a visit from these really nasty guys, who put you to torture,
sometimes, who used to put electrical devices on you, and ask you
questions, and so on.

Sometimes, when these "human beings" were torturing you, you often
used to sense what they were thinking. Somehow, when you are being
tortured by human beings, not by Mantindane only, there is a
transference of thought. For example, when a particularly nasty
secret policeman was coming to beat you, you KNEW what he was
thinking, even before he burst into the room in which you were held.
You knew that he was coming, and you knew exactly what he was
thinking and what he intended to do to you.

So, this is why I say the strange things that flood my mind. And what
flooded my mind on that day were visions from the mind of the

Since that time-I am a man of only very limited education-I found it
hard to speak, let alone to write English. I take long to say things
which people of better English would say in few words. But, my hands
are capable of making things which nobody ever taught me.

I make engines, rocket engines that actually work. I make guns, of
any type I wish, and all people who know me will tell you this and,
Mr. David Icke, sir, might show you pictures of what I've done around
my new home. I have made large robots out of scrap iron, and some of
these robots are going to work. I don't know where I acquired this
knowledge from. And since that terrible day, the visions I have seen
since I was a child, and the ordinary impressions which I have as a
shaman, have grown much more intense.

I don't know why, and I want to know the reason why. But I can tell
you, sir, that these creatures, which people wrongly call aliens, are
not aliens at all.

Over many years of looking into this thing, trying to understand it,
I can tell you this: that the Mantindane, and the other kinds of
alien beings that our people know about, are sexually compatible with
human beings. The Mantindane are capable of impregnating African

And I have come across many cases of this during the last 30 years or
so. For example, according to our culture, abortion is regarded as
worse than murder. And if a tribal woman from a rural area in South
Africa is found to be pregnant by some unknown person, and then her
pregnancy disappears, that, sir, relative to that woman, accuses her
of having committed abortion, and yet she denies this, of course.

And because of the fight that results between her and her relatives,
the husband's relatives, then she challenges these people who are
accusing her to take her to a sangoma; that is a person like myself.
The sangoma will sometimes examine the woman and, if the sangoma
finds that the woman had been pregnant, and had somehow had her fetus
removed-a thing which, when it is done by the Mantindane, results in
specific injuries to the woman which anyone with experience can
recognize-then, the sangoma knows that the woman is telling the

Also, the smell which clings to people who have been through the
hands of the Mantindane, that meticulous man which is unforgetable,
always clings to all women who have been impregnated by the
Mantindane, no matter how much perfume or powder they try to use.

So, that is why many such cases land on the doorstep of my life.
Sangomas bring such people to me in large numbers, because they think
I am the best one to help in such problems.

So, in the last 40 years or so, I have received many women who have
actually been impregnated by the Mantindane and their pregnancies
mysteriously terminated, leaving the woman feeling defiled, feeling
guilty, and rejected by her family. It becomes my duty to convince
the family of the woman's innocence, to try and heal the terrible
spiritual and mental-as well as physical-trauma that the woman has
undergone, and to otherwise help her and her members of the family,
and forget what happened.

No, sir; if these aliens are from a far away planet, why are they
able to impregnate women? And why did that strange creature, which
was naked, with red pubic hair, which climbed over me on that working
table, why did it have an organ which, though slightly different from
that of a normal woman, was still a recognizable female organ?

The creature's organ was in the wrong place. It was slightly more in
the front, where that of normal woman is between the legs. But it was
recognizable, and it looked like a female organ. It had hair like a
woman's organ.

So, sir, I believe that these so-called aliens don't come from far
away at all. I believe that they are here with us, and I believe that
they need substances from us, just as some of us human beings use
certain things from wild animals, such as monkey glands, for certain
selfish purposes of our own.

I believe, sir, that we should study this dangerous phenomenon very,
very, clearly and with objective minds.

Far too many people fall into the temptation of looking upon these
"aliens" as supernatural creatures. They are just solid creatures,
sir. They are like us; and, furthermore, I'm going to make a
statement here which will come as a surprise: the Grey aliens, sir,
are edible. Surprised?

_*Martin:*_ Please continue.

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ I said, sir, the Grey aliens are edible.

_*Martin:*_ Yes, I heard that and I'm anxious to....

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ Their flesh is protein, just as animal flesh on
Earth is, but, anyone who ingests Grey alien flesh comes very, very
close to death. I nearly did.

You see, in Lesotho there is a mountain called Laribe; it is called
the Crying Stone mountain. On several occasions, in the last 50 years
or so, alien craft have crashed against this mountain.

And one last incident was reported in the newspapers not so long ago.
An African who believes that these creatures are gods, when they find
the corpse of a dead Grey alien, they take it, put it in a bag, and
drag it into the bush, where they dismember it and ritually eat it.
But some of them die as a result of ingesting that thing.

About a year before I had the experience from the Inyangani
Mountains, I had been given, by a friend of mine in Lesotho, flesh
from what he called a sky god. I was skeptical.

He gave me a small lump of grey, rather dry stuff, which he said was
the flesh. And he and I and his wife ritually ate this thing, one
night. After we had eaten this thing, sir, on the following day,
exactly, our bodies erupted into a rash which was like nothing I had
experienced in my life before.

Our bodies were so full of the rash and urticaria, it was as if we
had small pox. We itched, the itching was horrible, especially under
the arm-pits and between the legs, and the buttocks. Our tongues
began to swell. We could not breathe. And for a number of days, my
friend, his wife and I were totally helpless, secretly attended by
initiates who were studying under my friend, who was a shaman.

I came very close to death. There was bleeding from nearly every
orifice in our body. We passed blood, much blood when we went to the
toilet. We could barely walk, barely breathe. And after about 4 or 5
days, the rash subsided, then the pealing of the skin took its place
now. Our skins began to peal, in scales like that of a snake shedding
it's skin.

Sir, it was one of the most terrible experiences I had undergone. In
fact, when I began to feel better, I think that my being abducted by
the Mantindane was the direct result of my having ingested flesh from
one of these creatures. I had not believed that what my friend was
giving me was flesh from a creature. I assumed it was some kind of
root or herb or whatever. But, afterwards, I recalled the taste of
the thing. It had a coppery taste, and had the same type of smell
that I was to encounter in 1959.

And, after the rash went down-while I was still peeling and we were
smeared from head to foot with coconut oil by the initiates, every
day-a strange change came over us, sir, which I am asking all people
of knowledge who would read this in your country to try and explain
to me. We went crazy, sir, utterly crazy.

We started laughing like real loony tunes. It was ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha,
day after day-for the slightest things we started laughing our heads
off, for hours, until you were nearly exhausted.

And then the laughing went away; and then a strange thing happened, a
thing which my friend said was the goal which those who ate the flesh
of a Mantindane wanted to achieve.

It was as if we had ingested a strange substance, a drug, a drug like
no other on this Earth. Suddenly, our feelings were heightened.

When you drank water, it was as if you had drunk a wine of some kind.
Water became as delicious as a man-made drink. Food began to taste
amazingly. Every feeling was heightened, and it's indescribable-it
was as if I was one with the very heart of the universe. I cannot
describe it any other way.

And this feeling of amazing intensity of feeling lasted for over 2
months. When I listened to music, it was as if there was music behind
the music, behind the music. When I painted pictures-which is what I
do for a living-and when I was holding a particular color on the tip
of my brush, it was as if there were other colors in that color. It
was an indescribable thing, sir. Even now I cannot describe it. But
let me now, sir, go to something else.

The Mantindane are not the only alien beings that we Africans have
seen and know about, and have got stories to tell about.

Many, many, many centuries ago, before the first White-man came to
Africa, we African people encountered a race of alien beings which
looked exactly like the European White-man who were going to invade
Africa in our future.

These alien creatures are tall. Some of them are rather well built,
like athletes, and they have slightly slanting blue eyes and high
cheek-bones. And they have got golden hair, and they look exactly
like the Europeans of today, with one exception: their fingers are
beautifully made, long and like those of musicians and artists.

Now, these creatures came to Africa out of the sky, in craft which
looked like the boomerang of the Australian people. Now, when one of
these craft comes down to land, it creates a whirlwind of dust, which
makes a very large sound indeed, like that of a tornado. In the
language of some African tribes, a whirlwind is zungar-uzungo.

Now, our people gave several names to these White-skinned aliens.
They called them Wazungu, a word which loosely means "god" but
literally means "people of the dust-devil or the whirlwind".

And, our people were familiar with these Wazungu from the start. They
saw them, and they saw that some-in fact, many-of these Wazungu carry
what appears to be a sphere made of crystal or glass, a sphere which
they always playfully bounce like a ball in their hands. And when a
force of warriors tries to capture a Wazungu, the Wazungu throws this
ball into the air, catches it in his hands, and then disappears.

But, some Wazungu were captured by Africans in the past and forcibly
kept prisoner in the villages of chiefs, and in the caves of shamans.
The person who had captured the Muzungu, as he is called in singular,
had to make sure that he kept the glass-globe well-hidden from the
Wazungu. So long as he kept the globe hostage, the Muzungu could not

And when Africans saw the real Europeans, the White men from Europe,
they transferred to them the name Wazungu. Before we met the people
from Europe, we Africans, we had met White-skinned Wazungu, and we
transferred the name Wazungu to the real Europeans, from the aliens.

Now, in the Zulu language, we call a White man Umlungu. Now, the word
Umlungu means exactly the same as Wazungu, "a god or a creature which
creates a big whirlwind underground".

In Zaire, called now the Democratic Republic of the Congo, White
people are called Watende or Walende. This, again, means "a god or a
White creature". And, the word Watende not only is used to refer to
the pink-skinned alien, but is also used to refer to the field
Chitauli. In Zaire, when shamans talk fearfully about the lords who
control the Earth, they refer to them not as Chitauli, but they refer
to them euphemistically as Watende-wa-muinda-that is, "the White
creature which carries a light" because at night the Chitauli's
forehead eyes glow like red lights in the dense bush. They glow like
the rear lights of an automobile in the dense bush. So, a
Watende-wa-muinda "the White creature of the light", that is what the
Chitauli are called in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

There are over 24 other alien creatures, sir, that we Africans know
about, but I will tell you briefly, now, about only two.

Sir, in the country called Zimbabwe, where I had my encounter in
1959, there is also another creature. This is the most amazing
creature, and I saw it once, and so did several other people, some
Black and some White, who were with me. This creature is a huge
creature, and shaped exactly like a gorilla, but it is unlike a
gorilla, which often walks on its feet, as well as on its knuckles.
The creature I'm talking about, sir, stands about 8 feet or 9 feet
high, and is built exactly like a gorilla, but its body is very
powerful. Its shoulders are very wide, it's neck is very thick. It is
covered with thick, rough fur, like no other wild animal in Africa.

It is a humanoid creature, with thighs and legs and feet, as well as
arms and hands which look exactly like those of a human being, only
covered with a heavy mat of dark-brown fur. This creature, sir, is
known as Ogo by the people of Zimbabwe. And schools of people have
seen this creature, hundreds over the many generations. Some of these
creatures have been seen right here in South Africa, in isolated
bushy and mountainous places. And these Ogo are, detail for detail,
exactly like what the Native American people of the Northwestern
United States call a Sasquatch or Bigfoot.

In fact, I say it is the same creature and we have it right here in
southern Africa. It is also exactly the same creature, but with a
totally different skin color, as the one that is seen by the people
of Nepal on the slopes of the Himalaya mountains, the creature that
is called a Yeti.

Now, then, the last creature, sir, a creature which is so well known
in South Africa, and elsewhere in Africa, that if you mention its
name, people smile. It is called a Tokoloshe. Every African knows
what a Tokoloshe is. Some call it Tikoloshe.

It looks like a very nasty looking teddy-bear in appearance, in that
it's head is like that of a teddy-bear, but it has got a thick,
sharp, bony ridge on top of its head. The ridge goes from above its
forehead to the back of its head, and with this ridge it can knock
down an ox by butting it with its head.

This creature causes the Black people in certain places to raise
their beds on bricks, one brick laid on top of the other one, about 3
feet above the ground. And you find this all over South Africa. This
Tokoloshe likes to play with children, and has been seen hundreds of
times by school children, in various parts of South Africa, even in
recent times.

Sometimes it will terrorize children by scratching them as they
sleep, leaving long, parallel scratches on a child's back and upon a
child's thighs, scratches that become infected and itch terribly.

About two years ago, a creature like this terrorized a whole school
of children in Soweto, near Johannesburg. And the school children
called it pinky-pinky. Now, this creature is not only known in South
Africa amongst Black people, it is also known, sir, amongst
Polynesian people of Hawaii, and other islands in the Pacific. These
people lift their huts, their grass houses, on stilts, to the height
exactly that Africans lift their bed. When you ask a Polynesian, "Why
do you built your huts like this?" The Polynesian will say, "We want
to protect ourselves from Tiki."

Now, this is interesting, sir-that a creature exactly like the one
seen in South Africa is also seen on some Pacific islands, and the
name by which it is known in the Pacific, Tiki, is very close to the
African word Tikiloshe, or Tokoloshe.

One day I hope to share more of this information with your readers,
but my appeal, again, is this: Please investigate! Please, let us
investigate! Let us stop being too skeptical. Excessive skepticism is
just as dangerous and as evil as gullibility.

Nobody can tell me that aliens don't exist. Let someone tell me, what
is the meaning of this hole in my side? Let someone tell me, why is
it that after I had been mated to that strange creature, in that
strange place, my organ of manhood swelled horribly, and for many
years after that I couldn't make love to an ordinary woman, properly.
Why? If that was a figment of my imagination, how can a figment of
one's imagination leave you with scars and cracks on your male organ,
some of which have not healed to this date? Let such people answer me
that question.

We must investigate, sir, because there is every sign that the alien
creatures sharing this planet with us are getting desperate. Why?
Because, you see, there is a great fight shaping up, and anyone who
thinks deeply about such things can see this fight coming.

What am I talking about? Sir, until 30 or 40 years ago, very few
people cared about the environment. Very few people were concerned
about the destruction of the rain forests in Africa and elsewhere.
Very few people were concerned when White hunters, who, at that time
were regarded as heroes, massacred Africa's animals in the thousands.
Very few people were concerned when the great nations of the world,
such as the United States, Russia, Britain, and France, openly tested
nuclear weapons in many parts of the world.

Today there are people who would spit at a big-game hunter if he
showed himself in a hotel and announced what he was. Today a big-game
hunter is no longer looked upon as a hero, but rather as a murderer.
Today there are men and women, Black and White, who are prepared to
risk their lives to save trees, to save animals, and to stop the
insanity of testing nuclear weapons.

Sir, what does this tell you? It tells you that, after many thousands
of years of being dominated by alien creatures, human beings are
starting to fight back. Human beings are starting to care about the
world in which they live and in which they find themselves. But, the
aliens, the Chitauli, the Mantindane-call them what you will-are not
going to take that lying down. They are going to punish us, as they
did centuries before.

The aliens once destroyed a nation whose name has come down to us
Africans as the nation of Amariri. It is said that the kings of
Amariri, this fabulous country which we believed lay beyond the
setting of the Sun, were refusing to do what the Chitauli were
telling them to do.

The kings, at that time, were refusing to sacrifice their children to
the Chitauli. They were refusing to make war on fellow human-beings,
in order to sustain the Chitauli, with their god's image.

It is said that the Chitauli brought down a fire from Heaven. They
took fire from the Sun itself and they used it to burn that great
civilization away. They caused earthquakes and tidal waves and
destroyed the great civilization of the Red people of the long green
hair, who are said to have been the first people ever to be created
on this Earth. It is said that the Chitauli allowed only a few
surviving people to escape the destruction of Amariri, and that they
are prepared to do this again in the very near future.

I'm worried about what is going to happen in other countries in the
world. All these earthquakes, which have caused the destruction of
human life in the Middle East and in parts of Africa and India, why
does my heart feel frightened when I read about all this? These
earthquakes are happening with unnatural regularity now, in Egypt, in
Armenia, and one of these earthquakes was so powerful, it went right
through the planet Earth and caused a very sacred rock in Namibia, a
rock known as the Finger of God, which has been standing for tens of
thousands of years, to collapse in a heap of rubble. And when that
rock collapsed, I received many worried letters from sangomas who
believed that because this rock had fallen, then the end of the world
was very, very near.

Is there a question, please?

_*Martin:*_ I read your poem, your pledge. In your pledge you mention
the name Jabulon. Can you explain who that is?

_*Credo Mutwa:*_ Jabulon, sir, is a very strange god. He is supposed
to be the leader of the Chitauli. He is a god, to my great surprise,
which I find certain groups of White people, especially, worshipping.
We have known about Jabulon for many, many centuries, we Black
people. But I am surprised that there are White people who worship
this god, and these people, amongst them are people whom many have
blamed for all the things that have happened on this Earth, namely,
the Freemason people. We believe that Jabulon is the leader of the
Chitauli. He is the Old One. And one of his names, in the African
language, sir, is Umbaba-Samahongo-"the lord king, the great father
of the terrible eyes"-because we believe that Jabulon has got one eye
which, if he opens it, you die if he looks at you.

It is said, sir, the Umbaba ran away from an eastern land during a
power struggle with one of his sons, and he took refuge in Central
Africa, where he hides in a cave, deep underground. And it is an
amazing thing, sir-it is said that under the Mountains of the Moon in
Zaire is this great city of copper, of many thousands of shining
buildings. There dwells the god Umbaba or Jabulon. And this god is
waiting for the day when the surface of the Earth will be cleared of
human beings so that he, and his children, the Chitauli, can come out
and enjoy the heat of the Sun.

And, one day, sir, I had a very unexpected visit while I was living
in Soweto, near Johannesburg. I was visited by priests from Tibet.

One of these priests, I'm sure you